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Some People Like to Fish, I Like to Invest

Some People Like to Fish, I Like to Invest

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Planet MicroCap PodcastRobert KraftScott Miller
Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJNk7byMFdg
Date Consumed
Nov 19, 2020
Count (Month)
13
Created
Nov 19, 2020 7:57 PM
Last Edited
Apr 20, 2021 8:32 PM

Partner's Fund (fund of funds)

  • Came about as a request from partners
  • Historically superior returns have been generated by small managers
  • Doesn't make sense as a standalone business, but is a source of good ideas (including ideas for the main fund), and serves partners who e.g. are at max allocation in Greenhaven Road but want something else that is "Greenhaven Road-esque"

Criteria for Partner's Fund

  • Investment committee of one
  • Concentrated holdings
  • Reasonable AUM
  • Original thinking
  • Significant personal investment
  • Mindset where getting rich is not the point
  • Currently c. 12 managers (March 2020)

Investing philosophy

  • Do what works...30-40 year vehicle...times will change and need to adapt
  • Advantages: can be selective (broad mandate), long time horizon, able to evolve definition of value over time
  • Trying to create an ecosystem to give himself unique advantages: Partners Fund, Chuck Royce, LP base (many are investors)
  • Craftsman mentality: put together portfolio while taking different sets (types) of risk
  • Doesn't make the ask or follow-up. Marketing is all inbound...self-selecting people who come in because they are philosophically aligned (e.g. not a smooth 8% but a bumpy 12% CAGR)
  • Want partners to know what they own and why they own it, hence semi-lengthy partner letters
  • Don't want to invest in the 50th-best idea (hence concentration)...typically around 15 positions..."if we're right we're rewarded, if we're wrong we survive"

Portfolio criteria

  • Two groups
  • Group 1: High quality companies for 5+ year holdings (c. 50% of portfolio)
    • High insider ownership; often indication of good capital allocation
    • Recurring revenue
    • Operating leverage / expanding margins
    • Risks: product, market, team, execution (from PE world)
  • Group 2: Special situations (c. 50% of portfolio)
  • Generally about half the fund is sub-$1B businesses
  • People build businesses; if you can't trust the financials stay away
  • Tough to say "I would never do this"...determined by risk/reward equation (potential zero but high enough upside, reasonably sized, can provide good expected return

"Who has a great track record that is down the most? Can be a good hunting ground."

From Q4 2019 letter (written for investors)

  • "What we don't own" e.g. nothing in the SP500
  • The next double after a year of multiple expansion (e.g. AAPL) is much, much harder
  • In each letter, go into the top 5 holdings
  • KKR — the bet is that KKR will continue to raise money to earn mgmt + incentive fees
  • Occasionally go into SPACs
    • Historical returns on SPACs are negative
    • Can buy rights security e.g. that have value if the deal closes (looks like merger arbitrage)
    • Had a deal where company would pay fund above market to hold shares and sit through three earnings calls
    • "You don't hold this anywhere else"
  • $PAR = jockey bet
  • Focuses on partnership aspect of partnership — e.g. bring in CEOs to meet partners

Other notes

  • Operating a business is more stressful than investing
  • De-risking starting a fund: had savings, wife's income, marketable track record
  • Most difficult part of job: delivering bad news to investors. Reporting quarterly takes out some of the noise. The right investors are a huge asset.
  • Investing experience that most impacted career: in GFC rules changed over a weekend (from can short bank stocks to can't — SEC). Two investors as 90% of total had very short-term liquidity capability, therefore couldn't play long ball. So at Greenhaven Road has 3-year lockup.
  • Advice for new investors: don't do it unless you love it; only risk money you can afford to lose (no leverage); be concentrated; be long-term; you can't borrow someone else's conviction...you gotta do the work

Connect to:

  • Greenhaven Road website — investor letter section (and sign up)
  • Consume a lot of Twitter but don't Tweet much
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